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CCP Claymore
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Posted - 2015.11.12 17:02:22 -
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Hello players,
With the latest update on Singularity you might notice some strange goings on.
For some of the work Team Game of Drones are doing in the build up to Citadels we have made the grid size bigger.
How much bigger?
MUCH BIGGER!
What is this going to affect?
As with many of the changes Game of Drones are making we really hope you will not notice much but there are some pretty big exceptions with this one.
1. Your safe spots are possibly not so safe anymore, other people can probably see you now. 2. When running some missions you will be able to see rooms you should not be able to see, we are aware of this and are working out what to do. 3. Anchoring POS might have some issues, we are aware of this.
Please let us know if you run into any issues by submitting a bug report through the F12 menu in the client. Please report the bug before restarting the client as your logs are super important for tracking down issues.
Thank you and fly safe. o7
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Posted - 2015.11.12 17:24:30 -
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Kierss Mann wrote:CCP Claymore wrote:Hello players,
With the latest update on Singularity you might notice some strange goings on.
For some of the work Team Game of Drones are doing in the build up to Citadels we have made the grid size bigger.
How much bigger?
MUCH BIGGER!
What is this going to affect?
As with many of the changes Game of Drones are making we really hope you will not notice much but there are some pretty big exceptions with this one.
1. Your safe spots are possibly not so safe anymore, other people can probably see you now. 2. When running some missions you will be able to see rooms you should not be able to see, we are aware of this and are working out what to do. 3. Anchoring POS might have some issues, we are aware of this.
Please let us know if you run into any issues by submitting a bug report through the F12 menu in the client. Please report the bug before restarting the client as your logs are super important for tracking down issues.
Thank you and fly safe. o7 Could you tell us how big it is now going to be? The grid size
Not at the moment, at the moment we are going to stick with bigger while we play about with it.
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CCP Claymore
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Posted - 2015.11.12 17:34:49 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:As far as the anomalies and mission pockets are considered, you could increase the distance between them to make sure they never could part of the same grid.
Maybe 4~5 times the grid distance apart.
We are looking at numbers as we speak.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 09:27:22 -
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Arionu wrote:I already noticed on SISI that in several locations where a station is on the orbit of a moon you now have a POS and a station (or several stations) on the same grid. Previously having the POS on its own grid provided a certain amount of safety when your POS was hidden.
This makes many locations less desirable if you want to hide your POS and the mechanic is implemented as is regarding POS anchoring locations.
Can you provide me with some locations please? System, planet, moon, station?
This is the kind of thing we are looking for as we do not want to break gameplay, but we really want to make the grids bigger.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 09:30:52 -
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Bienator II wrote:will you also change how the grids grow? because it is not the first time that i was 200k off a gate during larger fights and could not see things which are at a gate. Since 200k should be within the normal grid size i assumed there is something wrong with the algorithm which handles grid splits and growth.
(i mean you could increase grid size and it would not really change anything if the underlying mechanics are suboptimal)
We will not be changing how they grow, but theoretically they should not need to......famous last words maybe as we know how creative you folks can be.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 09:32:33 -
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Atruin Egivand wrote:Those new and awesomely oversized extra-big grids will surely break in totally new and exciting ways Can't say I'm a big fan of that.
Hopefully I do my job properly and we break them in new and exciting ways before we hit TQ.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 09:34:18 -
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Styphon the Black wrote:Just curious in highly populated areas where there will be a ton of ships/missions etc. all on grid together will these massive multi AU size grids end up crashing our computers as our graphics cards strain to keep up?
Hopefully not, we have been speaking to the graphics team as this is obviously a concern to us and they were ok with it but we will be performance testing to make sure.
You should never see another players mission unless you are ninja salvaging
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Posted - 2015.11.13 09:36:04 -
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Ariete wrote:Well i have been messing around with grids and so far ive been able to get and so far i have been able to get it to 1.8 million km.
haha good effort sir!
Did anything break? If it did I hope you sent me a bug report through the F12 menu?
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Posted - 2015.11.13 09:37:05 -
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Ashterothi wrote:Please make it so you cannot see inside of a FW plex from the accel gate, and vice versa.
Thanks
Absolutely! You should never be able to see into a mission or anything that requires an acceleration gate. At the moment there are some sites where you can, but we are working on fixing that.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 09:40:36 -
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Tragot Gomndor wrote:Remember guys, this is still SISI. They will make sure you will not look inside a mission in the end :D
I'm not sure if those grids are really modern enough anyway. Couldnt you, CCP, add new visibility system to EVE? For example, a client can always see like 500km and everything beyond that range is not visible. Not sure if that would create a looooot of lag if there are 5000 objects around and each client needs to "if/then" check all of them.
Then change command ship boosters to range based of, for example, 1AU.
The simple and annoying answers are legacy code and EVE physics.
This would require lots of work possibly a dedicated team, the change we have made to grid size has been a simple change for the developers, will be a nightmare for the QA to test, and will be a headache for the designers when QA tell them about the grid nightmares.
For now we are going to keep everything the same but make the actual grid size bigger.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 09:41:43 -
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War Kitten wrote:By the sound of #3...
"3. Anchoring POS might have some issues, we are aware of this."
...It sounds like two+ moons could be on the same grid!
This is something we would love to know if you have examples of. It is something we are checking, but with the amount of systems and moons in EVE, we might miss it.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 10:10:08 -
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Torgeir Hekard wrote:In the light of the new dessies I'm trying to anchor a small tower to do some R&D magic, but it keeps telling me that I need to be no more than 300km away, and I'm currently 3041km away. Yay to teleporting towers!
Hmmm I will take a look, but they might be broken over the weekend then.
Anchoring is probably going to be the most affected by these changes due to how it handles the anchoring process.
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CCP Claymore
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Posted - 2015.11.13 14:02:37 -
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Samsara Nolte wrote:Hmm -
This change might be able to finally fix somethings in j-space. Namely the grid drop of your ship when mining and orbiting certain gas sites and it might fix some of the C4 Data and Relic sites where the last wave of sleepers regularly spawn outside the grid - so we no longer have to search for them.
- great :)
As much time as I have spent sucking gas in WH's I am not entirely sure I follow, if you could enter a bug report about it with steps to reproduce and pictures if possible I can take a look and see.
Regards to the C4 Data and Relic sites, hopefully this issue is resolved, I was running 1 of them the other night and there was no spawn after I hacked the container, was very confused. I will try and take a look into this as well.
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CCP Claymore
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Posted - 2015.11.13 14:04:24 -
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Torgeir Hekard wrote:Okay. So I decided to be a smartass and brought a second character in a fast inty. I burned him in the general direction of where the tower should be (when you try to anchor it, it briefly teleports to the new position before informing you of the range issues and teleporting back). I managed to land some 30km away from the suggested position, but now when I try to anchor the tower it says that there's no moon nearby So it's a moon grid but not a moon grid. On an unrelated note sharing fleet/corp hangar access on a DST is broken. At least trying to press the buttons does nothing.
We will hopefully has POS in a better state on Monday.
For the DST can you please submit a bug report through the F12 menu, ideally after the issue occurs and before restarting your client so we can see the logs. You can put my name in the title if you want, along with a nice descriptive title.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 14:07:34 -
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Arionu wrote:CCP Claymore wrote:Arionu wrote:I already noticed on SISI that in several locations where a station is on the orbit of a moon you now have a POS and a station (or several stations) on the same grid. Previously having the POS on its own grid provided a certain amount of safety when your POS was hidden.
This makes many locations less desirable if you want to hide your POS and the mechanic is implemented as is regarding POS anchoring locations. Can you provide me with some locations please? System, planet, moon, station? This is the kind of thing we are looking for as we do not want to break gameplay, but we really want to make the grids bigger. The NPC seeded station Ikuchi VI - Moon 15 - Ytiri Storage, noticed it there first. Has second station and a functional POS on grid. Veisto V - Moon 15 - Caldari Steel Factory also has second station and a POS on the same grid. Mitsolen I - Moon 1 - Expert Housing Warehouse has a POS on grid. From my tests all if not nearly all the POS anchoring spots seem to be on grid in highsec if the station is on the orbit of a moon. Sisi unfortunately does not have the population of POSes Tranquility has and I can't anchor my own due to the bug.
Thankyou very much.
I will take a look at this later today.
Hopefully we can get POS in a better state on Monday.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 14:12:02 -
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Aivlis Eldelbar wrote:CCP Claymore: I'm just going to say I love you guys for making space feel big again. Larger grids and no 250km lock limit have been on my personal list for ages.
Doesn't mean I don't dread having to redo all my tactical grids, though.
We are really excited about this if it does not cause too many major issues.
You will still be limited to 250km lock range at the moment, or you should be, I should maybe go and test this but it will open up the potential if any team wants to do something with longer lock ranges or something similar.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 14:15:25 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:CCP Claymore wrote:War Kitten wrote:By the sound of #3...
"3. Anchoring POS might have some issues, we are aware of this."
...It sounds like two+ moons could be on the same grid! This is something we would love to know if you have examples of. It is something we are checking, but with the amount of systems and moons in EVE, we might miss it. This should be trivial for You to mass check. After all You have all space objects in your database with exact locations.
You are quite correct, I am sadly not yet a DB Wizard, just some kind of apprentice and my developer who does this magic is off today, so some examples to go and take a peek would not hurt.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:57:04 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Has there been any consideration into removing the 250KM hard cap on engagement range with the expansion of the visible grid?
If you mean lock range, there is currently no plan to increase this, at least from Game of Drones.
This is some groundwork for Citadels and the massive size of them.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 16:00:17 -
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Aebe Amraen wrote:I hope that grids will be smaller than 1 million km across, so that when a ship logs off and ewarps they will end up off-grid.
In big battles it's not uncommon to have dozens of people logged off like that (computer crashed/whatever), and I'd rather not have them cluttering up my overview.
Alternatively, maybe add a distance filter to overview, or increase the ewarp distance.
E-warp should be fine.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 16:02:11 -
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nonsciolist wrote:Could you also consider increasing the distance from which you can look at a ship/object?
This is not something we have planned at the moment, we are doing this due to the massive size Citadels will be.
Some team, in the future, might decide to do this.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 16:59:45 -
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Leto Aramaus wrote:FOR GOD'S SAKE FINALLY....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've only been saying "remove grids" for 8 FREAKING YEARS. And this is the first step since the beginning of the game in 2003 towards making grid-less space....
Good lord... maybe we're gonna finally have a decent game.
There are some potential areas that could stop this from happening in the next release, but we are going to work at hard at getting round them so we can give you MASSIVE SPACE!
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Posted - 2015.11.13 17:29:09 -
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Tappits wrote:I like the grid sizes and the new view point of the ships so you can see the scale of ships much betterGǪ BUTGǪ When you zoom out and it goes from a close view to the tactical view the camera is no longer anchored to your ship which is dumb.. It should stay anchored to the ship till you manually right click and drag the camera about so you can quickly zoom out to look at something and then zoom back in and its still looking at your ship.
You should post this feedback over in the camera thread as it is not related to grids.
But thank you for posting.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 17:39:26 -
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Querns wrote:CCP Claymore wrote:Max Kolonko wrote:CCP Claymore wrote:War Kitten wrote:By the sound of #3...
"3. Anchoring POS might have some issues, we are aware of this."
...It sounds like two+ moons could be on the same grid! This is something we would love to know if you have examples of. It is something we are checking, but with the amount of systems and moons in EVE, we might miss it. This should be trivial for You to mass check. After all You have all space objects in your database with exact locations. You are quite correct, I am sadly not yet a DB Wizard, just some kind of apprentice and my developer who does this magic is off today, so some examples to go and take a peek would not hurt. Fortunately, CCP releases a static data export for universe info, so anyone can do it. Or, to be more specific, I can do it. CLOSEST MOON DISTANCES: K-6K16 VIII - Moon 1, K-6K16 VIII - Moon 2: 6,554 km J224324 V - Moon 3, J224324 V - Moon 4: 7,666 km Hjortur V - Moon 6, Hjortur V - Moon 7: 8,252 km IG-4OF III - Moon 1, IG-4OF III - Moon 2: 8,330 km R-ARKN V - Moon 1, R-ARKN V - Moon 2: 8,790 km Dysa V - Moon 5, Dysa V - Moon 6: 8,883 km D2EZ-X V - Moon 5, D2EZ-X V - Moon 6: 8,883 km U104-3 IV - Moon 4, U104-3 IV - Moon 5: 9,340 km J132144 I - Moon 1, J132144 I - Moon 2: 9,708 km Hoshoun VI - Moon 1, Hoshoun VI - Moon 2: 10,409 km MDD-79 VIII - Moon 2, MDD-79 VIII - Moon 3: 10,914 km J170552 IV - Moon 1, J170552 IV - Moon 2: 11,272 km Shedoo VIII - Moon 1, Shedoo VIII - Moon 2: 11,426 km PEM-LC VIII - Moon 1, PEM-LC VIII - Moon 2: 11,427 km DFH-V5 VIII - Moon 4, DFH-V5 VIII - Moon 5: 11,523 km J152111 V - Moon 1, J152111 V - Moon 2: 11,581 km C-C99Z II - Moon 3, C-C99Z II - Moon 4: 11,772 km N7-KGJ VI - Moon 2, N7-KGJ VI - Moon 3: 12,066 km J133521 III - Moon 6, J133521 III - Moon 7: 12,363 km B-R5RB VII - Moon 2, B-R5RB VII - Moon 3: 12,570 km J225530 VII - Moon 5, J225530 VII - Moon 6: 12,644 km Jondik IV - Moon 4, Jondik IV - Moon 5: 12,823 km VV-VCR VII - Moon 1, VV-VCR VII - Moon 2: 12,888 km J133128 III - Moon 1, J133128 III - Moon 2: 12,955 km D2-HOS IV - Moon 1, D2-HOS IV - Moon 2: 12,977 km Tukanas VI - Moon 7, Tukanas VI - Moon 8: 13,019 km Lansez IV - Moon 1, Lansez IV - Moon 2: 13,132 km J150234 VII - Moon 2, J150234 VII - Moon 3: 13,137 km Sagain V - Moon 1, Sagain V - Moon 2: 13,218 km L-TPN0 III - Moon 1, L-TPN0 III - Moon 2: 13,432 km 5J-62N V - Moon 1, 5J-62N V - Moon 2: 13,534 km Kasi III - Moon 2, Kasi III - Moon 3: 13,620 km JK-Q77 VI - Moon 3, JK-Q77 VI - Moon 4: 13,708 km Yishinoon VI - Moon 3, Yishinoon VI - Moon 4: 13,708 km J121921 VIII - Moon 8, J121921 VIII - Moon 9: 13,747 km 8-ULAA V - Moon 1, 8-ULAA V - Moon 2: 13,824 km J140823 VII - Moon 2, J140823 VII - Moon 3: 13,915 km J104859 III - Moon 2, J104859 III - Moon 3: 14,075 km Egghelende V - Moon 3, Egghelende V - Moon 4: 14,138 km J121146 VI - Moon 4, J121146 VI - Moon 5: 14,482 km
Code is here. One of the results, D2-HOS, was close to where I was currently parked, so I went out personally to verify my findings: http://imgur.com/YQhykUSLooks like there are moons that will easily co-exist on the same grid.
You sir have just made my weekend!
Thank you very much for this.
I had a look at some of the examples supplied by the player earlier and it is something we are going to discuss on Monday.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 17:44:56 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:I'm curious what the performance and network load implications will be, since the client has to deal with potential by factors increased amount of stuff in the overview and on screen. Maybe you should introduce those super grids first for citadels only...
We are not super concerned, we will be performance and mass testing to determine if there are any, but off the tops of our heads we think it should be ok.
We need to introduce them before Citadels so we can iron out any potential issues before we actually have things that rely on them. Testing so far is looking pretty good, aside from the known issue, which I will actually add to the thread in a better format.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 23:05:04 -
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Arcos Vandymion wrote:CCP Claymore wrote:Atruin Egivand wrote:Those new and awesomely oversized extra-big grids will surely break in totally new and exciting ways Can't say I'm a big fan of that. Hopefully I do my job properly and we break them in new and exciting ways before we hit TQ. One can't say that you guys don't have any humor. If a few years of interwebz taught me anything the crowd will break a product faster, more complete and in the most ridiculous way possible that the poor provider could never think of. So yeah ... good luck with that.
In many cases you folks do things with our systems we do not consider, and then you manage to break them in ways that we did not think possible, which is great, as long as you tell us about them.
But yes, a sense of humour is helpful in QA as not all days are fun as others, but then I remember what game I am working on.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 23:08:18 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Great work... any chance now that the grid is bigger we can get more then 250km max target range?
There are so many ships and setups that can in theory target past that but we are cutt of for some silly reason
Max Target Range is not something Game of Drones will be changing with this, not to say some other team will not attempt this in the future, but it is not happening at the moment with this change.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 23:09:34 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:Are you going to fix some of the NPC's? It has been a while, but I remember coming across some NPCs on stargate gates that didn't seem to have a lock or weapons range limit (ie was being damped, jammed, and shot from ~500km away)
Some examples would be great?
Otherwise it is something I can look into as this could potentially be a bigger problem now.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 23:11:00 -
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Kalestrom Crendraven wrote:Are you going to be looking into drag/stop bubble mechanics with this?
Could you expand on this? What would we be looking into?
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Posted - 2015.11.13 23:11:57 -
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NinjaTurtle wrote:IN CLAYMORE WE TRUST but seriously thank you for this, it's long overdue and based on how caps will be changing, completely necessary.
It is a Team Game of Drones effort, and we have lots of testing ahead to make sure that it is viable, but it is something we really want to make work.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 23:13:31 -
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Andi Onthatop wrote:Cool change, big grids are awesome.
Have you made sure that it's not possible for sleeper sites (combat anomalies, data/relic sites) to spawn on the same grid as each other?
It would suck to want to do capital escalations and have two sites on the same grid, forcing you to escalate both of them at the same time and either not do the second site, or do a single wave in site 1, then a wave in site 2, etc.
So spawning of anomalies etc is on the list of things to test, but I have not actually tested it yet.
In my head they should be fine, but at some point I will be escalating some anomalies to make sure.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 23:15:06 -
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Khaelian Osiris wrote:Idea: -Signature radius and sensor strength affect distance that a ship will show on grid. Gives your ship a "footprint" similar to how probe-able you are currently. -All ships show on grid under 250km regardless of stats. -Combat recons get a role bonus where they are not visible on grid above the base 250km, and keep their d-scan immunity.
Example: -Jump in to system in a cruiser, see a carrier 2 AU away on your grid, as well as several towers, and that's it. -260 km from you, a Crow can see you, but you can't see him. Your footprint is bigger than his, and his is small enough that he doesn't show past 255km.
Edit - More ideas: Low-profile bubble. Requires a higher anchoring skill, but doesn't show on grid outside of 250km.
Note: all items mentioned here would still show on d-scan, just not on overview.
Interesting ideas, but at the moment we do not want to change gameplay toooooo drastically with the change to grid size. At the moment we just want to make sure that EVE is still EVE but with bigger grids and more space.
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Posted - 2015.11.13 23:18:37 -
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Capqu wrote:any planned changes for bubbles re: how far they pull from?
currently any bubble on your destination grid on your vector pulls you to the closest bubble, obviously with much bigger grids the potential distance pulled can be much bigger
admittedly you could make bubbles very far on grid already, but it involved a lot of grid manipulation and would not persist through downtime
also wondering about the ESS, as currently you need to extend a grid 3001km from a station/stargate to place it on grid - which results in a very powerful bubble as it warns you in local when something lands in it if grids are much bigger can we expect them to be modified too?
also abou the moon thing, i've had poses on the same grid as station undocks before (until downtime), it's not a big deal load wise and its kinda cool to see the only issue is you can gun up to infinite range with the tower (unless this changed with brain in a box) so you can make sentry guns do strange things
Could you file a bug report and put my name in the title with steps on how to setup the ESS thing and I will take a look? Bubbles are a this point in time on the list to be tested, but I have not done it yet.
Also, I can confirm that stations seeing POS and POS seeing stations is visually super cool!
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Posted - 2015.11.13 23:20:52 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Assuming the size of grids is going to be like 1 million KM, it would be amazing if in this release or next to add an overview filter option or tab to filter out select items over X distance. This means if we see ships and stuff on the overview that is 1000km away, well out of targeting range, we can hid them from our overview.
This is mainly for when/if you filter by Name, type, and so on. It will not display people who are beyond combat support (not counting off grid boosters). You will still see them in space and their tags, just hiding them from overview.
I shall ask CCP Karkur if this something that could potentially happen. Not saying that it will, but I can always ask.
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Shank Ronuken wrote:Since you're making grids larger in addition to speed creep can we get the minimum warp distance increased to 250km? I know Gorski has made several posts and has been advocating for this. 150km is already too short with the current speed creep
This is not something that Game of Drones will be touching with the change in grid size. Some team in the future might want to take a look, but at the moment Game of Drones are just increasing the grid size for the build up to Citadels.
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Ariete wrote:Ranzera Stez wrote:CCP Claymore wrote:Aebe Amraen wrote:I hope that grids will be smaller than 1 million km across, so that when a ship logs off and ewarps they will end up off-grid.
In big battles it's not uncommon to have dozens of people logged off like that (computer crashed/whatever), and I'd rather not have them cluttering up my overview.
Alternatively, maybe add a distance filter to overview, or increase the ewarp distance. E-warp should be fine. Ariete wrote:Well i have been messing around with grids and so far ive been able to get and so far i have been able to get it to 1.8 million km. Are you sure? Yep 1.6 million Km grid
Haha this is a good effort.
Genuine question, is this actually practical for catching an e-warp where it should be a concern?
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Disable this grids on gates , pls - make them a special case. When you jump in to a 1k local , the last thing you want is to die before even loading the grid.
This is to be tested yet, but it is on the list.
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Tridgit wrote:Does this mean that the 249km lock distance restriction will be revised?
edit: Whoops, already answered. my bad.
(The answer is not yet, like 8 posts above mine)
No worries dude, glad to know you are interested.
And as I answered the ones before you, I will answer you
This is not something Game of Drones will do with the change to grid size, but maybe in the future a team will take on the project.
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Capqu wrote:CCP Claymore wrote:Capqu wrote:any planned changes for bubbles re: how far they pull from?
currently any bubble on your destination grid on your vector pulls you to the closest bubble, obviously with much bigger grids the potential distance pulled can be much bigger
admittedly you could make bubbles very far on grid already, but it involved a lot of grid manipulation and would not persist through downtime
also wondering about the ESS, as currently you need to extend a grid 3001km from a station/stargate to place it on grid - which results in a very powerful bubble as it warns you in local when something lands in it if grids are much bigger can we expect them to be modified too?
also abou the moon thing, i've had poses on the same grid as station undocks before (until downtime), it's not a big deal load wise and its kinda cool to see the only issue is you can gun up to infinite range with the tower (unless this changed with brain in a box) so you can make sentry guns do strange things Could you file a bug report and put my name in the title with steps on how to setup the ESS thing and I will take a look? Bubbles are a this point in time on the list to be tested, but I have not done it yet. Also, I can confirm that stations seeing POS and POS seeing stations is visually super cool! done
Thank you sir, I will have a look at this and see what is what.
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Aralieus wrote:CCP Claymore wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:As far as the anomalies and mission pockets are considered, you could increase the distance between them to make sure they never could part of the same grid.
Maybe 4~5 times the grid distance apart. We are looking at numbers as we speak. Wouldn't that make mission times longer with longer warps between dead spaces? Maybe make accel gates warp you at a higher warp speed to compensate.
Potentially it will make the missions take a little longer, this is still something we are working out what is best to do.
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Cosmosexual wrote:I hope this doesn't introduce more lag, it's hardly bearable as it is since BIAB was implemented.
We will be thoroughly testing this as the last thing we want to do is reduce performance in any way.
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EvilweaselSA wrote:CCP Claymore wrote:Kalestrom Crendraven wrote:Are you going to be looking into drag/stop bubble mechanics with this? Could you expand on this? What would we be looking into? Drag bubbles work if the bubble is on-grid with the destination point (and on the travel vector). That becomes...interesting...when the grid is 7800km instead of ~250km. I don't know if it needs changes but you'd have to think about it.
This is something you could already do with grid manipulation(grid-fu) I believe.
However anchoring them at that range becomes harder the farther you go, and your target will be able to warp to the gate if they manage to escape.
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Has a thought been given as to how much longer it will take a ship to land on grid with this. Especially Battleships. You will have massive amounts of warning when something appears on your overview. So it will be a lot harder to surprise someone on grid to tackle them.
I.E. Could a warping ship not appear on grid till it actually exits warp properly. Not just based on distance.
We can't do that because the battleship is still on grid.
At the moment we will not be changing anything around this, players can still see you coming on d-scan long before you ever land on the grid.
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Kosetzu wrote:CCP Claymore wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:Disable this grids on gates , pls - make them a special case. When you jump in to a 1k local , the last thing you want is to die before even loading the grid.
This is to be tested yet, but it is on the list. Could it perhaps be changed that grid loads based on distance? So closer ships load in first, and outside 250km is not required to be "ready" to start moving your ship or something? I know this isn't inside the grid test itself but bears considering when massive fleets are about. Also since you commented on the 500km lock range and asked for bug report on it, is it feasible to get reimbursement for ships lost from rats over 250km away? Had this happen to me before... [Edit] Also can't select any ship on sisi right now. Says I am in a ship on login screen but nothing in station, and can't select any ship to activate or undock. Not sure what to do with this to be able to do anything but sit in captains quarter now.
We are not going to be changing anything about how the grid loads or how people on the grid load, we are just changing the size and trying to make sure we do not break anything.
If you lost the ship on TQ you can try submitting a petition, but I can't say what the result of that would be.
I will take a look at your character and try and fix your ship issue on sisi, it is fallout from another change we made, getting quite a few reports about it and trying to fix as we speak. Really do not want that hitting TQ.
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Gosti Kahanid wrote:What I would like to see is a small change so your Overwiew won-¦t show you things on your grid that are more than 1.000 or 1500km away from you. Then everything coud be on the same grid, but because it is too far away, your short range scanners can-¦t see it. That is what the D-Scan is for. (exept of things like station, Celestials and so on which you already see through the whole system)
That is not something Game of Drones will be changing with this grid change, but some other feature team could take it on in the future if they wanted.
It might be kind of cool to have that range dependent on the size and type of ship, but that will not be coming from Game of Drones.
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Syzygium wrote:keep in mind that, if you change the distance an acceleration gate warps a player so you cannot see into distant rooms, also the time to warp there changes. a warp of 10.000km is much faster than one of some million km or even a few AU. This changes the chances you have to catch/escape when aiming for PvP in such a mission/plex/deadspacepocket.
Maybe implement a warpspeedfactor to acceleration-gates that in fact pushes ships over their normal warp-acceleration, to bring the warp times down to their current values?
It is something we will keep in mind, but we have not worked out yet exactly how we will fix the mission rooms.
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Since the grid range will be increased to 7800 km (According to CCP Nullabor's tweet), will the view range then also be increased from the small ~100 km?
That is not something Game of Drones will be changing, but maybe something Psycho Sisters will consider as the new camera currently has a very large look range, possibly infinite, it is not something I have played with too much.
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Moneta wrote:Haven't checked if it's been mentioned, but lots of people use secure containers as resource caches around hostile space. Normally, aside from spending hours dropping bookmarks old-fashioned pr+¬-probing style, there's no way to find them. However, with grids getting amazingly big, the chances of finding these by way of managing to drop a bookmark on the same grid rise dramatically I'd say.
I would really not like to lose this ability to leave sekrit supply points all over the place. For a semi-solo playstyle this is a very usefull option.
You will still be able to have them, they will just need to be farther away now.
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Kosetzu wrote:CCP Claymore wrote:I will take a look at your character and try and fix your ship issue on sisi, it is fallout from another change we made, getting quite a few reports about it and trying to fix as we speak. Really do not want that hitting TQ. Thanks, it seems to be fixed for all my characters now (not just this one). Last time I was logged in was likely around the last mass test (though didn't get to attend), so it must've been after that that the bug happened. Wish I had any more specific data to show for the bug, but it's been bug reported at least.
I moved that character, please check sisi email
We have a fix that will go out tomorrow on sisi that should fix this for everyone affected.
Thank you for the bug report, they are so important to help us track down the reason for these issues.
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Jonn Duune wrote:Do you have a default grid size in mind? 1000km a side? 10k km? 100k? or is to too early to have something narrowed down like that?
At the moment, the numbers we are running are 7800km from the center point.
So if you imagine a station is the center point, the grid will expand 7800km in 6 directions from that point.
These numbers are subject to change depending on performance testing.
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Capqu wrote:any planned changes for bubbles re: how far they pull from?
currently any bubble on your destination grid on your vector pulls you to the closest bubble, obviously with much bigger grids the potential distance pulled can be much bigger
admittedly you could make bubbles very far on grid already, but it involved a lot of grid manipulation and would not persist through downtime
also wondering about the ESS, as currently you need to extend a grid 3001km from a station/stargate to place it on grid - which results in a very powerful bubble as it warns you in local when something lands in it if grids are much bigger can we expect them to be modified too?
also abou the moon thing, i've had poses on the same grid as station undocks before (until downtime), it's not a big deal load wise and its kinda cool to see the only issue is you can gun up to infinite range with the tower (unless this changed with brain in a box) so you can make sentry guns do strange things
We took a look at the ESS and this is not something we really want to have happen so will probably up that minimum range.
Thank you for bringing it to my attention, it is not something I have ever personally used in EVE so was not familiar with how powerful it could be in this format.
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Esnaelc Sin'led wrote:Sorry if it has been asked already but, could it be possible that 'thanks to' this extended grid, you could potentially change the minimum distance required to warp (150km actual could be, 300km), and also extend the warp-to options beyond 100km, let's say up to 500km ? 700km ?
Those are pure random thrown numbers, it oviously needs more reflexion to come up with reasonable good ones.
This is not something that Game of Drones will be doing for this release, and at this late stage in development I can't see any team doing it for December, but that is not to say that some team might decide to do it in the future.
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Aquila Sagitta wrote:So by my calculations this means any pos thats within 1300kms of a station could pos gun undock. Anyone know where this occurs in eve? ref Large Artillery with Nuclear or Lead loaded on Minmatar Control Tower
They potentially could have, except we decided that this is not something we want
The POS has or will get a slight tweak in numbers so that it can't have infinite lock and shoot range.
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Posted - 2015.11.17 09:41:58 -
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Torgeir Hekard wrote:Any ETA on tower anchoring fixes?
Today, 17th November 2015.
We got the fix in late yesterday afternoon so did not have time to push it to Singularity.
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Torgeir Hekard wrote:Ok, noice. This time the tower anchored flawlessly. Well, with the only exception being it just happens to be on grid with a station Osmon 6-6 specifically.
I am going to come and have a look at you
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Sjugar02 wrote:The new structures will be awesome and if grids need to become bigger to accomodate them, that's fine.
Is there any other reason grids are becoming bigger? Huge grids will break things in interesting ways, eve has been developed with 250k grids in mind for more than a decade.
Warp deceleration will mean that fcs have more time to warp out before enemies land. The difference will likely be multiple seconds.
Bubbles can drag a fleet thousands of kilometers away from their intended destination. (Interesting how that will work with deadly structures that can be placed almost anywhere)
And probably a hundred things I can't think of.
The reason is to accomodate larger structures, but this opens up more options for other teams to do some crazy things if they want to in the future because as you have pointed out EVE has been developed with the 250k grid size in mind for more than a decade.
In testing so far the grids do not appear to be as broken as we thought they might possibly break, promising so far.
Bubbles will be able to drag fleets thousands of kilometers away however you have to be way more accurate in your anchoring of the bubble and if they get out they can easily warp back to station or gate, so I have it in my head that people might not anchor them much farther than they already do,but you folks love to prove us wrong.
FC's are going to have a little more time to see a fleet coming, but only really slow warping ships are really going to be giving THAT much of a warning, interceptors and the like are still going to be on top of them super fast. It might mean adjusting tactics slightly, but war is ever evolving and if you miss them on d-scan it might be too late anyway.
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Esnaelc Sin'led wrote:Could it be possible again, that thanks to this extended grid made possible, ships will be resized, and scales re-evaluated ? I assume the response will be "up to the gfx-design team" ? :D
grmbl ^^
It could be possible but this would entirely be on the graphics team. That is certainly not something that Team Game of Drones will be doing with the changes to grid size.
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Rek Seven wrote:Has the range of the zoom/look at feature been adjusted to suit this change?
Sometimes you need to get a close-up of your enemy, so If we are going to be fighting on much battlefields, the look at feature should be increased.
Personally I don't think there is a need for a limit in the first place. It would also be better if we had different zoom factors e.g. x2, x8, ect.
This is not being changed at this point in time.
Some other team might want to tackle it in the future, but this is not going to change on Dec 8th release.
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TheSmokingHertog wrote:What will be the 'Grid Size' for Fleet Warps?
They will be as big as the grid.
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Mr Mac wrote:CCP Claymore wrote: Known Issues: 1. You can't anchor a POS. 2. Some POS are close enough to stations they are visible and warpable from the station. 3. Certain mission with many rooms can show rooms they should not yet be showing.
I did Right to Rule, the Amarr epic arc with sansha's path. I find no issue during epic arc. Would be nice to remove countdown from all epic arcs to test. (only in test server).
My bad, I probably should have updated the known issues :(
We fixed it so missions should never see rooms they should not.
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Rowells wrote:Kosetzu wrote:Vespula Vulgaris wrote:Will this normalize grid sizes? At the moment, I imagine a grid is around 250 km if I'm sitting in a safe spot(?), whereas a stations grid is much larger. Will all grids be the same size with this change, seeing as the undock is now a tiny fraction of the grid? Grid-fu still behaves like before, so you can still expand grids in the same way. It's just 7800km radi that is the default one now, won't be less than that (except some barriers between pos/station to prevent same grid). Any idea if the extensions are the same? I.e. Dropping a can at the edge expands about 150-250 now, will each can now expand by 1000?
Each can would expand it into another grid, just like current grid-fu, but with the grids being that much bigger this takes a considerable amount of time, even with my devhax.
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Is this the right place to plead for a changes on grid probing and lock range changes? We have this huge massive grid, but are artificially constrained by arbitrary 150/250km ranges respectively. I mean, citadels aren't even going to be able to threaten their whole grid. Imagine railgun moros with spike being a thing in the future! I release this team isn't looking at it, but it feels a bit like you've made the most epic steak, but there's a glass window between us and it and all we can do is drool - so can you poke management to let us eat it, please
This is not the correct place as once the grid size change goes live, in about 1 hour, this thread is likely to go dead as it is under the test server area, you would be best posting in the features and ideas section.
It would be cool to have bigger ranges, but that would mean lots of re-balancing work of all weapon systems and ships. It is not out of the realms of possibility, but I can't see it happening any time soon as we are busy working toward the Citadel release.
But please do post your idea over in the ideas and features threads so our designers can see them.
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